Religious discussions three (HUB 43) 


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Welcome to mu hub, (43) Religious discussions continued

As anyone can see, these hubs are being written to discuss and overcome some of those religious difficulties that arise today, in order to do that we can say that this is a religious study of how religions serve humanity since humanity needs God and religions, therefore we will continue to discuss these issues, in the hope of finding a way how to overcome those difficulties.   

So this hub is Religious discussions three, being also part of Prayers for Reconciliation and a chapter of our religious writings and the continuation of discussions two, where we left with Gino wanting to talk to our friend John in an aggressive way, so let us see what he had to say?

Dear readers, in order to make it easier for you to understand what is happening, and before I write Gino speech down, or should I say before I write Gino argument with John, I would like to let you know what sort of a bloke Gino is; you see Gino sometimes likes to make an argument out of anything, religiously Gino is a Christian or Christian agnostic, sometimes depends on the way he feels he may even act as an atheist, so I wonder what he is going to say to John next.

Now let me say who is John; well John is a very religious bloke that really believes in his Jehovah witness religion, so everything for John is exactly as the Bible says. Now as I have already said in my last hub, Gino seems keen to talk to John, therefore looking at these two friends I am just curious how this religious discussion or debate is going to be like. So let us see first what Gino is going to say to John:

A religious debate or discussions

After my conclusion on Mark speech in our last hub, Gino approaches John and starts to talk to him thus:

Gino to John

Hey John did you hear Mark speech; he knows a lot about religions, doesn’t he? So now that you have heard all that religious stuff, and knowing that there are lots of other religions in the world just because man needs God somehow, I am asking you this, are you still going to think the same and follow your Jehovah witness religious beliefs as if it is the only possible way to go religiously? Or are you going to be just like one of us and be open to any religious discussion or comment and sometimes accept that comment. You see one can never be sure if what we have been told about God and other religious beliefs are true or not. What do you say to that?

John to Gino

Look Gino, Mark may know a fair bit about religions, I will give you that; but you have to admit that what he has said is only general knowledge, that is the way I feel about his speech; also I need to add that I am not convinced that religious things are exactly the way he said, so I am still one hundred per cent sure that I am right about my own religious beliefs, so I am not going to change at all my beliefs based on Mark speech OK.

Gino to John

John, you are really a believer and believe in God and whatever is written in the Bible, but really you should think again about your beliefs, as you have heard there are a lot more religions in the world, so, there may be, I say may be that one of these other religions might be right and your beliefs are not. Look I don’t really want to be hard on your religious beliefs here, but there are a lot of people that think otherwise, in fact there are even people that do not believe in God at all as you may know, in fact there are good intelligent people that recon that God does not exist and there was no creation as the Bible says, because there is no need for a god to create life, you see it is possible that simple life just came about by itself, and then with the passing of time it grew and became the way it is today through evolution, you know there is a theory about this issue.

John to Gino

I am sorry to say this Gino, but today you sound to me that you have become an atheist; I thought that somehow you were a Christian and that you believed in God somehow, I think I have made a mistake in judging you a Christian, because today you don’t sound like a Christian at all, you know what I mean, a Christian is a person that believes in God and fears God, because he wants God to see that he deserves better or perhaps eternal life?

Gino to John

I know that John, but you see I just wanted to see what you thought about religions, let me say outside your Jehovah wetness religion. For instance, do you really believe that God created everything in seven days like the Bible says, or do you have some doubts about creation yourself?

John to Gino

There you are you are indeed an atheist and next thing you are going to say to me, that through evolution and the forces of nature everything created itself and that we are monkeys that through evolution have become humans. You know what I mean, monkeys eating bananas, do you see a monkey in yourself and me or do you see a person. Just listen to me Gino, monkeys are monkeys and cannot be anything else, and humans are people just like Adam who was created as a person, like God said in his own image, don’t you see that?

Prevent a religious argument

My comment (Frank)

Up to this point the rest of the group I, Mark and a couple of other guys were talking various things, while at the same time I was paying attention to what Gino and John were talking about, just because I thought that Gino could really upset John somehow, and I knew that I was right to think about that because something was going to happen right now, therefore I had to do something to prevent this religious argument escalate. So, I winked at Mark and pointed out to him that something needed our attention so to speak, and we moved closer to Gino and John, and then I said: you two really seem that you want to solve the world religious problems right away, don’t you? But I have to tell you that it is very unlikely that we would be able to find a way out by carrying on and arguing the way you two do, because it is more likely that we can find a way out if we happen to have the same views on this religious subject.

Now since you have started this conversation about creation and evolution, which seems to be the most important piece of evidence that we all want to find out one way or another that is if we can find any evidence either way. The point is here that we need that evidence to decide about our religious beliefs, and also about how much creation really took place, and what could have been the role of evolution at the same time, in other words how the creation of mankind happened.

I have reasons to believe that in order to do that we need to break our information source in small pieces and decide with our own mental capacity and logic common sense, if what is being presented to us can be true or not. In other words anything that is presented to us we must question the questionable and answer those questions truthfully.

Now since Gino and John have started this conversation about creation, let us try if we can do something about it?

So, may I have the attention of everybody present, as I want to ask you these questions about the creation of man?

Do you really believe that man was created from God exactly as the Bible says?

After you answer this question there will be more questions like:

If answer is negative, then the question is why not?

So, please answer my first question: do you believe that man was created from God the same way as the Bible says?

 Some answer to my question/s

John answer

Of course, that is the only way possible for man to be created, because God is the creator of everything, it says so in the Bible and the Bible is the word of God.

Gino answer

I have to say that I am a Christian, but even though I am a Christian and believe in many things that I have been told to believe in this religion, I doubt very much that God has created man from plain earth soil there must be another explanation how man came about to be created and why the Bible clams that God made man from plain earth soil?

Mark answer

I see what you mean Gino, I for myself don’t see any logic for God creating man from dust, let us call it dust, because in the Bible “Genesis 3:19 says. “By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.” But that is the Bible and there must be a good reason to say that at the time it was written, but here we need to find out why it was written like that, if we want to get a logic answer?

Peter answer (This is another friend that came to the meeting)

Just to say something for friendship sake, I have to say that perhaps I believe a lot like Gino, so I think that if I use my brains and logic explanation, I say that there must be another logic explanation why the Bible claims that God made man from plain earth ground.

Mike answer (this is another friend at the meeting, he may be an atheist?)

What I want to say here is that really we are living in the 21st century and we know a lot more now that when the Bible was written, so, by logic explanation hearsay from well educated people and my own intelligence says that God did not make man from earth ground, because that may very well be an impossible thing to do even for God. This answer is written assuming that God exists; you see God may even not exist What about that?

Frank (me the writer)

I see every one of you has got a different view or beliefs about how man was created, so we need to ask more questions to find out the reasons why it is like that.

So, let me see what I can ask you next time.

Dear readers, do you see what I mean? This is how religions are today and people will move away from religions if they cannot be explained better in the future. So it is up to us to do something that may help humanity understand these religious things; I would suggest that perhaps a new way of interpreting religious books could be helpful, or even perhaps a new religious theory that would allow God and the forces of nature work together; in other words God would use evolution to create all living thing and everything else. We may have to think hard if this can be possible? May God guide us?  

After these religious discussions above, we started to talk about other issues that are not worth writing here, since I would like to keep these hubs just for religious talks? 

See you next time.